Thursday, February 4, 2016

thermotron -- Clinton testify-- management training with thomas w bannach



california former employee

This management team not only kept the employees uninformed, and misinformed, but they kept each other misinformed,


just tell me the good things happening (or the potential dirt on the underlings) I don't want to hear about problems.

The alcoholic salesman once painted a story that dramatized this distortion. If for instance a salesman was with as customer and jumped into their lap, kissed them on the lips shit all over themselves and the customer. By the time the story was filtered to the president it could likely be changed to " Well the salesman had some Mexican food for lunch and it gave him gas; when he was with the customer he farted a couple times.

It was necessary to learn the skill of
"memo documentation" ( at one point this
escalated to something akin to memo wars) this manager became a habitual liar and denied anything and everything; it became
necessary to document events to anticipate his lack of support in the effort minimize future problems. As stated above it became necessary to write memo's to document any type of problem. This manager who was in a different office instead of keeping (remote) employees better informed, covertly told his (cronies) accomplice's to let him know if a memo's were being sent. Of course !!

Ah yes, your humble narrator went out to California on a Pilgrimage. Searching for holy cities, magicians, wild women, and new flavors of the "Wow "Vibes.

California, the Golden State.
At the time, it sort of seemed like an omen. Intuition told me that I would find " Truth "
in California.

Nobody dies of old age there. Everyone dies prematurely on the highways, and you never know when, Any minute of any hour some brake lights could blink, tires squeal, and the semi on your rear bumper flattens you into a gruesome road-kill in two seconds flat. It could happen tonight. You live like a hunted beast.
RAZOR-SHARP-ALERT!!!!

Everyone has their day to die on the thruway bleeding, you get your own honorary traffic jam as gawkers creep by admiring your splashed guts. And the traffic jam blocks the ambulance two miles back.
Everyone is famous for
a half an hour.
It's like a bizarre pagan sacrifice to the Goddess of Asphalt.

No one escapes the hot black alter!

My dashboard was a good luck temple .... four inches deep in St. Christopher statues, rabbit's feet, four leaf clovers, spirit whistles, eagle feathers, glass pyramids, magic crystals, satchels of voodoo herbs, and photos of Jesus Christ, Budda, Confucius, and Ollie North.

YOU NEED more than AAA.

California the land of promise.

As i drove along those roads I saw it for what it was .......

" THE TRUTH "

" Pou-Fu Loves Sally "

"Iluminado + Sally "

" Abdulla Owns Sally "

The thugs hang out every where.
Nubile wenches. Boom boxes, Budweiser,
and Zig-Zag bomers. Litter everywhere..

Yes, the couple years I spent in California......thinking that this was " IT " was as much fun as an ............incurable case of
jumbo Ho Chi Mihn crab lice.

Did I find the Truth??

Boy, did I !!! I cruised right by
the bright red signs.


WRONG WAY: DO NOT ENTER.
All caution to the wind.

The Management method employed was to erode the employees confidence in their work; find some petty reason or fault, real or imaginary, create situations where the employee may have to lie. Put them under pressure so they would fail then management could supposedly
"COVER FOR THEM".
This provided justification for the employee to LIE FOR The Manager;

This effort was to keep the employees:
confused and there for under control, and with the group lying for the Manager

get up in the morining

service training

How to get along and bee nice!!


proverbs 23:23

23:23 Buy the truth and sell it not, also wisdom and instruction and understanding

When you find the truth it cost you something so now don’t sell it for it is a foundation upon which rests wisdom, every thing else.

The world will want to buy your truth and sell you theirs.


25:14 Who so boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.

Like any thing else a lie is a lie a deception is a lie and a false gift is a misrepresentation of a blessing.

It is the appearance of something but it is an illusion

former employee (thermo WHO)

good people don't work here( for too long)
You see there really are Companies where:

"Good people don't Work here".

Half truths, misconceptions, and accusations are an effective way to control and manage people. Keep them at each other's throat (cut throat environment), keep them suspicious, keep them confused, and guarded.

The organizational structure at some companies require that "key" management personnel be skilled in the art of deceit. Deception, manipulation and its associated "skills" can be a highly desired style or "Expertise
"; but If you are not on "their" team it can be very dangerous.
When a weasel factory (snake pit) company finds a NON "YES" man, who can't do or say anything they demand because ethical or personal values; they are then no longer a "good" organizational fit, because loyalty counts for everything. Every one is"a manager" means it's ok to defraud, libel and slander co-workers because every one does it, just lie and deny it and blame it on someone else.

This thesis describes some of the covert management styles that are used in the effort to keep the workers under-control, divided and "quiet"; and its subsequent corrupt influence of the ethical morals in the Dutch Reformed Religion.

Are Companies Run By Crooks?? Of Course!! The type of individual who would "not fit into this organization" is a person who is: moral, ethical or open , honest, and genuine .

What's Good is Bad, What's Bad is Good, Who ever does the Most , does the Worst; Who ever does the Least , does the Best... These are real techniques applied at some companies. The people I worked with in Holland Michigan were "professional" church going liars,thieves & crooks, it was just part of the job description. Ethics or morality were not allowed in the work place.

Where personal loyalty is the most important commodity.

People, reality and or sound business practices take the
"back seat". Or simply put:

"If you are swimming with shark's! You had better make sure
" you are a shark " "or" "you are" going to be lunch !!!

People do the deeds of their Character that dominate their personality or satisfy their comfort. Most of will do what ever is the easiest, change, responsibility, learning can be to difficult, it takes commitment, it takes effort, it can be scary, and there may not be any
" money " in it. So why bother? For many one's "Job" is the most important item in life so in corporate life it becomes necessary to be a go-along-get-along kind-of-guy, following the values of that company

Wednesday, March 26, 2008

i lied for U club

"I--Lied--For--You--Club".
{The Good-Old-Boys-Club}

He typified the management style there;
the rule for management was simple.

"It's OK to lie to a little bit"
if it keeps him or us out of trouble.
It was sometimes an adventure talking to "Old Bob" you see he had this pregnant profile and when he would talk to someone he would preface the conversation with:

" Well ya, know I've been in this business for twenty-eight years now "

[as he would rub his hands up and down his fat belly]

"and the environmental business has been very-very-good-to-me, I've seen a lot of things, blah, blah. blah."

dishonest thermotron former employee

W O R L D L Y W I S D O M


Have no dealings with dishonest people.
Neither their promises nor their friendship
are worth having.

Their promises are like gusts of wind,
and they do not know the meaning of friendship.

The dishonest cannot offer their honor as a bond,
because they have none to pledge;
and without a bond,
there can be no forfeit.

The name written under an agreement
counts for more than all the
legal phrases which precede it

oe/PST*O
1980

memo man holland man

*The most important influences were parental:

How the rescuers had been disciplined as children was crucial.

The bystanders were more likely to have been beaten and abused by their parents.

The rescuers parents, on the other hand, used reason to discipline, thereby instilling values as well as compassion.



*Parents behavior toward others was major influence. Kind, caring parents were the model for kind, caring children.


Oliner discovered that 500,000 Christians had risked their lives to save a million Jews from death. His work ;had other rewards: The research, intimates say helped heal Oliner. Rabbi Harold Schulweis, a close friend, says: "He found the spark of decency in human beings." At 60, Samuel Oliner is now a man at peace with the past and hopeful for the future, He says "The notion that we are each other's keepers is gaining. Maybe we've reached a point where another Holocaust is unimaginable. He pauses, then adds: "It's because of the people who cared that I'm here. There are such people in the world--and we can teach our children to be like them.."

Letters to the Editor:

Dear Pacific Northwest Pilgrimage,

It was very good to hear from you. We received your letter and the poems but to tell the truth, I had a very difficult time trying to understand it. I was able to glean a few things:

1) That you are planning on relocating .

2) That you're very negative on people. I think that negativity is a trap that it is [sic] very easy to fall into as we get older. I caution you to strive against it. People are not as bad as you paint them, even in corporate America.
A G.


Dear A G.

Whew! Shit! Here's the guy who turned me on to books like "Pigs in the Parlor, Signs wonders and Response (three days of darkness), Prophecies by Wladyslaw Biernacki, or Constance Cumbey The hidden dangers of the rainbow, and of course The Poem of the Man-God........ Now he's telling me that corporate life is normal.

What many companies are noted for are:

the wrong people in the right jobs,

supra-talented people in the supra-menial jobs,

and the one-dimensional types in the multiple-dimensional jobs.

Management is summed up simply as 

"a matter of making sure everybody knows who's boss."

Authority that can not command respect by leadership dynamic or credentials or expertise often shifts to authoritarianism

out of a "fear of being found out"

Where abilities are lacking, insecurities evident in relationships to that,

and the complexities of the organizational function too difficult to cope with, the leader often will resort to authoritarian postures in order to save what he can.

Because for him to admit to limitations or incapacities for "corporate' problems is but to contradict the image.


The shape of an organization is a direct result of the administrative weakeners or strengths that were brought into it, and GOD will not perfect that which has been ignored, especially when the cure is readily accessible at the local business college.
On top of that of course is the already defined authoritarian syndrome which becomes more and more rigid as the ability to cope with corporation complexities becomes less and less.
Weakness of rank and fine can be worked out and perfected but only as there is capable leadership knowledge enough and self-experiential enough to detect them.

In an organization if you ask people how the company values them, most workers will comment along this general line: "It's a job." or "i don't think I'm really that important".

All of which says that they have learned to accommodate themselves to their "value" as set by the company, or director, either directly or indirectly, which is that they are merely piece workers hung together on restrictive codes.

If mediocrity is to be explained at all it has to stem from the empty "value system" of taboos and internal behavioral circumspections.

An organization whose "value system" spins around negatives will find the group spitting into the the wind rather than with it.



Christian workers perhaps more then their secular counterpart are sensitive to the emergence of"false values" based on contradictory images.

They have come to expect much more,.

When these false values continue to go uncheckedthey whittle away at the respect until the organization becomes the subject of mean, caustic jokes.


MEMO MAN

He loves paper, lots of paper
see him shuffle all day long.
He loves memo's writing memo's
that say the things that should be done.

He's got a style, and uses techniques
that a nine year old boy knows;
because he loves memo's pretty memo's
but don't ask him what to do

Don't ask him what he's doing
because he doesn't understand
He loves memo's, pretty memo's
those letters he can comprehend

He looks good on paper
Yes paper is what he knows
His clothing is from the "50's"
and Sears Roebuck is the brand.

He loves memo's lots of memo's
don't ask him what he knows
He doesn't want to hear you
and tries not to let it show

Don't tell him what is happening
He is a spineless deceitful man
Show him memo's lots of memo's
that's all he understands

1-15-1984 PST*O

church philosophers /it's just an opinion

The church philosophers of the time, - for example the French philosopher, René Descartes (1596-1650) - employed what we have come to call the deductive method of thinking. But for a new breed of thinkers, a different approach was being adopted.10 Fearless men were stating that for knowledge to be valid it must be the result of experience; the natural world we live in must be approached by building, on, thoroughly tested theories, theories that fit in with our real life experiences; these theories were built up by employing an induction method of thinking.



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The Fundamental Question (the study, or the investigation, of it, is known as epistemology), is, how does one come to know what he knows. While man might well come delivered with certain primitive urges, plainly needed for a start: the question is, does the process of learning operate in the same way; or, is it, simply the full development of innate urges? Or, does man have free will, and while having an innate capacity to receive data, is guided by his past experiences; proceeding in life on a trial and error basis, a basis, in fact, on which all science proceeds.
In answer to the question of how man comes to know what he knows (the study of epistemology) we see that two theories have come about. There is the rationalist view, led by Descartes, Spinoza, Leibniz, and others; who sought to integrate a belief in the existence of certain innate ideas with an acceptance of the value of data received by experience. Empiricism (expounded by Hobbes, Hume, Locke) denied the existence of innate ideas altogether, maintaining that all knowledge comes from human experience. Kant and numerous people since have attempted to combine the two views.

Dualism is the belief that reality, subsists, both in thought and in matter. It is important in your intellectual dealings with others to recognize a dualist. He or she is a type of person who believes there does exist, a universe, beyond that in which one exists. A "dualist" believes in this world and in the next; he lives in this one and aspires to another. His line of thought comes from the misty dark ages, when everything be a mystery. As I have said, only gradually did man come to grips with the nature of the universe, of which he is part; culminating in Darwin's evolutionary and comprehensive vision. Seemingly taking his cue from Spinoza, Darwin, in his monistic vision, showed that reality is a unitary and continuous process with no dualistic split between soul and body, between matter and mind, between life and not-life. There is no cleavage between natural and supernatural. All phenomena, observed and unobserved, are of one universe; they are all natural to it.11

It was during this time, too, that religious dissenters were picking the church's lock which it had -- on what, and what was not, the correct mode of thinking. Wycliffe (1320-84) of England was one of the first dissenters (the church, as an official act, in 1415, ordered that his bones be dug up and burned.) Martin Luther (1483-1546), an ex-monk, of Germany, was another who attacked the church. Instead of disputing in Latin, as was the fashion in those days, Luther took up the new weapon of the printed word and scattered his views in a contemporary language, in his case the language used by the ordinary people of Germany. It is with these religious dissenters that we see in history the opening of an age which continues to this day: an age of multiplying ideas and weakening faith.



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Yet today, there exists among us, mystics:
"You that will have all solid, and a world of pig-lead, deceive yourselves grossly. You believe yourselves rooted and grounded on adamant, and yet if we uncover the last facts of our knowledge, you are spinning like bubbles on a river, you know not whither or whence, and you are bottomed and capped and wrapped in delusions."12
And so what are we to make of all this; does there exist a Grand Force? How are we to describe it? What attributes do we lend to it? One conclusion we might immediately come to: This Grand Force "is indifferent to progressive development, it has no aims, no goal to reach. Its main motive is to continue striving, to continue living, so to speak. Somehow or other, however, it does bring progress in its wake."13

former employee / The knowledge of the truth

Aristotle:-
§ "The knowledge of the truth."
Bagehot:-
§ "The patient philosopher, who is cautious in his positions, dubious of his data, slow in his conclusions, must fail at once. He would be investigating while he should attack, inquiring while he should speak. He could not act upon a chance; the moment of action would be gone. A sanguine and speedy intellect, ready to acquire, by its very idea all but excludes the examining, scrupulous, hesitating intellect which reflects." (Biographical Studies, p. 62.)
Blake:-
§ "In every cry of every Man ... The mind-forg'd manacles I hear." (Songs of Experience, 1794.)
Cicero:-
§ "Philosophy is the cultivation of the mental faculties; it roots out vices and prepares the mind to receive proper seed."
Dewey:-
§ "Philosophy recovers itself when it ceases to be a device for dealing with the problems of philosophers and becomes a method, cultivated by philosophers, for dealing with the problems of man."
Diderot:-
§ "The first step towards a philosophy is incredulity."
Epicurus:-
§ "To say that the time for philosophy has not yet come or that it is passed and gone is like saying that the time for happiness has not yet come or that it is passed and gone."
Froude:-
§ "Philosophy goes no further than probabilities, and in every assertion keeps a doubt in reserve." (Calvanism, 1877.)
Goldsmith, Oliver (1731-1774):-
§ "Philosophy is a good horse in the stable, but an arrant jade on a journey."
Hobbes:-
§ "Leisure is the mother of philosophy." (Leviathan.)
Holmes:-
§ "There is one disadvantage which the man of philosophical habits of mind suffers, as compared with the man of action. While he is taking an enlarged and rational view of the matter before him, he lets his chance slip through his fingers." (The Professor of the Breakfast Table.)
Hume:-
§ "There is no method of reasoning more common, and yet none more blamable, than, in philosophical disputes, to endeavor the refutation of any hypothesis, by a pretense of its dangerous consequences to religion and morality." (An Enquiry Concerning the Human Understanding.)
§ "Philosophical decisions are nothing but the reflections of common life, methodized and corrected." (An Enquiry ...)
Keats:-
§ "Do not charms fly, At the mere touch of cold philosophy?"
§ "Philosophy will clip an angel's wings."
Keyser, Cassius J.:-
§ "The term philosophy signifies that which philosophers are doing... The meaning of the term is a function of two variables - time and clime." (As quoted in Mencken's Dictionary.)
Macaulay:-
§ "The ancient philosophy was a treadmill, not a path. It was made up of revolving questions, of controversies which were always beginning again. It was a contrivance for having much exertion and no progress." (In Macaulay's essay on, "Lord Bacon.")
Montaigne:-
§ "To philosophize is nothing else than to prepare oneself for death."
Newton:-
§ "Philosophy is such as impertinently litigious lady that a man had as good be engaged in lawsuits as to have to do with her." (In a letter to Edmund Halley, June 20, 1687)
Proverb:-
§ "Good health or bad makes our philosophy."
Rochefoucauld:-
§ "Philosophy triumphs easily over past, and over future evils, but present evils triumph over philosophy."
Russell:-
§ "That man is the product of causes which had no provision of the end they were achieving; that his origin, his growth, his hopes, his gears, his loves and his beliefs, are but the outcome of accidental collocations of atoms; that no fire, no heroism, no intensity of thought and feeling, can preserve individual life beyond the grave; that all the labors of the ages, all devotions, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius, are destined to extinction in the vast death of the solar system, and that the whole temple of Man's achievement must inevitably be buried beneath the debris of a universe in ruins - all these things, if not beyond dispute, are, yet so nearly certain, that no philosophy which rejects them can hope to stand. Only within the scaffolding of these truths, only on the firm foundation of unyielding despair can the soul's habitation henceforth be safely built."
§ "Optimism and pessimism, as cosmic philosophies, show the same naive humanism: the great world, so far as we know it from the philosophy of nature, is neither good nor bad, and is not concerned to make us either happy or unhappy. All such philosophies spring from self-importance, and are best corrected by a little astronomy." (What I Believe.)
Shakespeare:-
§ "Adversity's sweet milk - philosophy." (Romeo and Juliet.)
§ "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." (Hamlet.)
Socrates:-
§ "The unexamined life is not worth living."
Voltaire (Philosophic Dictionary):-
§ "Without philosophy we should be little above the animals."

bille clintion, i lied 2 U maybe/ it's my job

Monday, March 24, 2008

thermotron and your replacement

your replacement has been hired/ field sales- field service engineer
your replacement has been hired!!!

WHY ARE U STILL HERE...!!!

CAN'T YOU TAKE A HINT!!!!


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it's good being president


you are right all the time



Wednesday, December 30, 2015

thermotron holland michigan pervert and backstabber - Born This Way



ermotron - Bad Romance-thermotron Human Resources.. A-Tamer-Kennedy

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sure



thermotron Human Resources.. A-Tamer-Kennedy





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now you can become a Manager !! or a Sales Engineer !!!








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Refrigeration Electrical and Mechanical skills and experience are preferred.


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Sunday, December 27, 2015

thermotron pervert-- Ezekiel 25-17 (The Bonnie Situation)



thermotron former employee — we made some changes sence then- A-hole

THERMOTRON FORMER EMPLOYEE- PERVERT HOLLAND MICHIGAN EMBEZZLER

well you are right
it is safe to say “only say good things”
as i don’t have very many good things to say about the different liers thieves and embzzlers and drunks and slanders i worked with..at thermotron ..
nownow as tom bannish bragged it’s ok to be currupt ..
he like most of the people who are evil there will be dead and go to hell..
good riddence.
as a matter of face do you know of any of the people from there who have good character?
i can count them on one hand
But as i have never worked with such a big determined gang of liers, slanders and theves, as with thermotron..
The Boeing project i got introduced to tenbrink and durham.. both liers and embezzlers, and drunks this is the first time management allowed people to be drunk on the job and falseafy their work hours.. (i think not)
but bob wiles was a lier and a drunk..
I was the exception and that is why Mr Pietz at boeing hired me 3 years later.. i am normal.. and reliable. He said that he likes to hire people who u don’t have to wonder what they are doing
John TenBrink was such a bad example of a Thermotron employee that he could’nt get them to hire him even as a custodian, janitor. That was during the time boeing had over 25,000 thousand employees.. and he found that he couldn’t find a decient job any where in kansas..
So finally he begged Bob Wiley (he was now a promotion guy)at sexton Espec inc. because “Old Bob is as smart as a fox) ya right.. if u believe that then we will sell your children out as Whores.
But after misleading mardy rich.. and defrauding him, John Tenbrink got to go into sales.. and sales in the chamber business is getting the customer drunk and pretending u are their friend.
from there he went to Environtronics, where Gary Molinar was just leaving.. as he said about john.. it dosen’t take much to fill out a “request for material” and his evualiation of Environtronics was that as a “spin off” company.. they took 2 steps and fell on their face..
I met Gary Molinar at Russles Technicial Products.. and at this company Don Bench hired people who needed to learn a trade.. and learn a job
But Gary said he was different .. He came there to Do a Job” not just learn a job.
I quit here because Bill Bench was sending me out to start-up equipment that didn’t quite work right.. and finally bill told me that that it didn’t matter if the equipment worked at all, my job was to get the customer to sign off. I told him i didn’t defraud people. and lia.. so he drummed me out.. The last job in New York.. was typical of his style.. “he shipped a 40 by 50 foot walkin chamber that had never been tested or assembled..
and the customer thought there would be a factory team to complete this project.. but there was only me. ha
back at thermotron
Tom bannash promoted lieing cheating and stealing and embezzeling and slandering employees on the west coast, he said “everyone is the manager” and he would go around saying”sombody said , this or that but i didn’t believe it, or he would tell me and others that “He lied for U“
Then he would send Dean Tripp an old time sales/manager/senior service guy to lie to his co-workers to find out what was going on. (dean tripp is in Farmington New Mex) he said they like people who are like this..
Tom Bannish bragged that Roger Cannery let him do “His thing“ which was:
1. it’s ok to lie,cheat and defraud people a little bit everyday (because everyone he knows is that way) he told me that everyone was cheating on their expenses and that i needed to do the same. (Get with the program)
2. if someone does a good job he will lie and say they did a bad job.
3.if someone does a bad job he will lie and say they did a good job
4if some one needs help with a job, he will lie and say they don’t need help.
5if someone doesnot need help he will lie and say that they need help.
the evil guy i worked with once showed me all the placed he robbed in Pasidena California as he was growing up.
He robbed customers daily and bo bjarno the sales staff and my self told tom banish and he considered it ok.
This guy robbed and embezzled over 50,000 dollars
and jim roulfes helped him steal an additional 20,000 thousand
by removing bo bjarno the last blockage.
Now even though bo was a drunk he had better character than bannash.
Tom Bannash bragged he could lible slander every one and you people would believe his lies.,
Now the fact
that dan o’keff and tom bannash called employees and co-workers the “gay ” and the gay
blade behind” their back is another example of the slandering evil attitude that was there.
Hil sysbesma told me embezzling was not stealing it was “working the system”his rate was about $000 .00 while i was there…
So, now Jim Roulives made him a sales man..
the big joke was that he took a pay cut to go into sales.. ya right.
Oh ya Curtt (bo bjarno’s ) replacement said all jim rulloff did was walk around with a good grip on his ankles.
Obviously dan o’keef would make any Roman Catholic childmolester or petafile safe and proud,
Dan O’keefe did tell me that this company lets in any type of person.. when i asked Tom Bannash what the Hell he ment by that?
his reply was typical for a tom bannish
“I don’t know“
Nobody else askes me that question.
ask wayne or mark lamers
oh what’s the surprise??
if u work for thermotron expect to be lied to .. because this company is run like a male /female escort service